Electric Daisy Carnival: Busy Night For Los Angeles Firefighters

Sunday, June 29, 2008 |

On Saturday, June 28, 2008, at 2:57 PM, 1 Company of Los Angeles Firefighters, 9 LAFD Rescue Ambulances, 1 LAFD Bicycle Paramedic Team, 1 EMS Battalion Captain, and 1 Battalion Chief Officer Command Team, as well as 8 personnel from the LAFD Bureau of Fire Prevention & Public Safety; a total of 35 Los Angeles Fire Department members under the direction of Battalion Chief Jack Wise, assembled for the night-long 'Electric Daisy Carnival' at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum at 3911 South Figueroa Street in Exposition Park.

Joining the Los Angeles Police Department and allied agencies in Unified Command, LAFD personnel spent nearly 15 hours at the music oriented event, addressing the life safety needs of attendees, including 18 persons deemed in need of medical attention.

Of the 18 carnival-goers assessed by LAFD Paramedics, 11 were transported to area hospitals for unspecified injury or illness. The Los Angeles Fire Department did not formally estimate attendance at the 12-hour event, which ended as scheduled at 4:00 AM.

The LAFD concluded on-site operations at 5:40 AM Sunday morning.


Submitted by Brian Humphrey, Spokesman
Los Angeles Fire Department

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

how many people died?

Anonymous said...

i heard 27...i saw 2 of them

LAFD Media and Public Relations said...

If you have an official source, please do mention it. If you 'saw' something, please come forth to the news media outlet of your choosing.

Otherwise, we'll have to consider it to be a shameful rumor.

FYI: There are no reports at this time of any Los Angeles Fire Department personnel pronouncing anyone deceased at or near this event.

The LAFD does not have detailed information to share regarding the 18 persons who were medically assessed or the 11 transported by LAFD personnel (alive) to area hospitals.

What may have happened to such patients while in or following their hospital treatment is sadly outside of our realm.

In closing, please know that there were private medical services at site, and while it is possible that they treated someone, it seems implausible that they would not have summoned nearby LAFD Paramedics.

Respectfully Yours in Safety and Service,

Brian Humphrey
Firefighter/Specialist
Public Service Officer
Los Angeles Fire Department

LAFD Media and Public Relations said...

Anonymous, please remember that we can't post comments when they contain vulgarities (including those that are openly expressed or implied with missing vowels!). We look forward to the repost of your passionate message without those needless words or expressions.

Thanks!

Respectfully Yours in Safety and Service,

Brian Humphrey
Firefighter/Specialist
Public Service Officer
Los Angeles Fire Department

LAFD Media and Public Relations said...

While we generally can't find the time (or wish) to edit comments offered here, recent inquiries about LAFD efforts at the Electric Daisy Carnival are proving to merit a timely response - if only to dispel rumor.

"Anonymous 1:20" recently offered an at times thoughtful and passionate note that regretfully included vulgarity. Clearly, we can't publish such intact.

Here is a lightly edited version of his/her comments with my reply in bold. I hope this time consuming effort proves helpful.

"...that is not good enough fire dept."

We're doing the best we can, given our limited resources.

"how many of the people transported didnt leave the hospital b/c of death"

We must again stress that is entirely outside of our realm. The vast majority of the 535 people we transport via ambulance each day leave the hospital alive, some do not.

We are sadly not notified (nor can we obtain) the constantly updated medical status of these patients once we have legally transferred their medical care to hospital staff. What we can (and have repeatedly) said is that all persons transported from EDC were taken alive to the hospital, and there was no one declared dead by LAFD personnel at or near the scene.


"i know its not your fault"

We do appreciate that sentiment.

"and i know that it is possible you sent ppl to the hospital who were already deceased"

In this case, no. As mentioned with emphasis in my 11:38 comment above, *all* eleven (11) patients were delivered alive to a hospital.

"yet the fire dept doesnt pronounce them deceased because that is the job of a dr."

Many people are surprised to learn that members of the Los Angeles Fire Department and other EMS providers have long been able to officially determine or declare death in the field.

"but the public has the right to know"

The considerable rights of the public are truly not in question. The challenge is in exactly who and how detailed medical information beyond what we have repeatedly provided can be collected and offered to disbelievers - and exactly how much effort we as a *Fire Department* can or should take to dispel senseless rumors from anonymous people who refuse to believe that we medically assessed only 18 persons, transported only 11 (all alive), and did not declare anyone dead at or near the scene of the event.

"and unless you can post the names so I can call the hospital myself and ask the status of these patients i dont know who to ask"

Federal Law prohibits us from publicly sharing personally identifiable information regarding those we treat and transport.

"and that is [expletive removed] up..you are the beauracrats at the event therefore you MUST have a number"

There is no conspiracy. We have offered our numbers repeatedly, and are not exactly sure what we can do for those who refuse to believe that no one (not one, not any) persons were declared dead by LAFD personnel at or near the scene.

"the government does not simply let these types of events happen without some kind of documentation...if 27 ppl died or 15 or 2 you should know or at least provide information with which the informed public can investigate because if they dont who will?"

Which brings us to question exactly WHO is saying that anyone died? Named sources would be appreciated, so that each of us can determine credibility.

"detailed information to share...can you clarify that mr. Brian Humphrey , does that mean you do have information that you cannot share or you just simply don;t have information?"

The LAFD crews on site gave that information (again found above) in a summation statement to our office. They were not immediately able to provide detailed data regarding the age, gender, condition, affiliation or circumstances. This is very common in large events (think Marathon, Triathlon, etc) in which there is (and again I emphasize) no known loss of life.

In closing, please know that I spoke again this morning with LAFD and LAPD Command Staff and the Coroner's Office. Not a single official at these agencies is aware of one much less multiple deaths at or near this event.

Thanks for patiently awaiting my reply.


Respectfully Yours in Safety and Service,

Brian Humphrey
Firefighter/Specialist
Public Service Officer
Los Angeles Fire Department

Anonymous said...

Brian, you certainly have a great deal of patience (if not patients).

Anonymous said...

its makes me sad to hear that so many people were taken to the E.R. i saw one girl in a stretcher. and one girl was laying there unconscious waiting for the paramedics to come get her. while her friends were around her yelling her name and checking her pulse. its so scary what this stuff can do to you if you dont use it properly.

he said here,

"Of the 18 carnival-goers assessed by LAFD Paramedics, 11 were transported to area hospitals for unspecified injury or illness."


its because we still dont exactly know what this one particular drug does to people. physically and mentally. we dont have enough information on it to this day. and people have found brain damage 6 to 7 years later.

if your going to goto these things everyone needs to be very safe. including me.

heres something i read the day after edc.
if only i knew this the day before edc.

because what happen to me towards the end of the night scared me to death. and was pretty much a slap in the face for me.


why do they call it candy?
its nothing near candy. you cant keep popping them you will just die.

-An overdose happens when you consume more than your body can safely handle. Users are constantly flirting with drug overdose, and the difference between the high they're seeking and serious injury or death is often quite small.

Warning Signs of Overdose

* Feeling hot or unwell
* Becoming confused, not able to talk properly
* Headache
* Vomiting
* Not Sweating
* Racing heart or pulse when resting
* Fainting or collapsing
* Loss of control over body movements
* Tremors
* Problems Urinating




An Ecstasy Overdose is Characterized By:

* rapid heartbeat
* high blood pressure
* faintness
* muscle cramping
* panic attacks
* loss of consciousness
* seizures
* hypothermia
* muscle breakdown
* stroke
* kidney and cardiovascular system failure
* permanent damage to sections of brain critical to thought and memory
* death

Anonymous said...

It amazes me at the ignorance displayed by some of these people.

anonymous wrote:
"its so scary what this stuff can do to you if you dont use it properly."

Please, please, please don't ever assume a postion in life that will involve or directly affect others, thank you.

"Anonymous 1:20"

Get a life, or better yet. Go volunteer at a homeless shelter since you seem to care so much about the loss of life.

Mr. Brian Humphrey, the city & it's citizens thank you & your team/staff for the great work & professionalism shown while working this event.
These type of events can easily take a turn for the worse if not overseen/covered by a dedicated crew. You have shown that not only is preserving life a priority but that individual rights are also a priority for you & your staff.
Keep up the good work & may god be with you & protect you in all your daily duties.

LAFD Media and Public Relations said...

Anonymous 1:48,

We do appreciate your taking the time to offer both kind words and thought-provoking statements.

That much said, we kindly ask that the discussion continue in a polite fashion - even when there are divergent viewpoints.

Often that is best accomplished by allowing the statements of others to rise or fall on their own merit (or lack thereof), without name calling or personal attacks.

Again, thanks for keeping things family friendly here, even when passionate and strongly held beliefs come into play.

We're proud to be a full-spectrum life safety agency protecting America's second largest city, and that includes helping people who may have made bad choices. It's not for us to judge, but merely to serve.

In closing, I'd like to thank the many of you who were kind and supportive of our Firefighters and Firefighter/Paramedics at EDC. It proved to be a memorable night, and we remain humbled by the trust you placed in us.

Let us hope that the polite, honest and forthright dialogue can continue both on-line and off - and always rest assured, that we'll be there when you need us.

Respectfully Yours in Safety and Service,

Brian Humphrey
Firefighter/Specialist
Public Service Officer
Los Angeles Fire Department

A Partygoer said...

Bravo to the hard working men and women of the LAFD. You kept us all safe at this event. As always, thank you for your hard work in protecting the lives of all the people at the event, and treating each of us with respect.

Matt Rosenzweig said...

A huge thanks is due to Brian Humphrey for taking the extra steps to make sure accurate and timely information is distributed to the public. Thank you for your service to the LA community and thanks to the entire LAFD for doing such an amazing job at last Saturday's Electric Daisy Carnival.

Jesse (partygoer) said...

Thank you for provinding as much information as possible. It defiantly cleared up alot of rumors that have gone around. Its crazy what people come up with. And thank you for providing help and having mercy over those who knowingly bring this upon themselves. Im sure there would have been quite a few deaths on site if you weren't there to prevent it.

Richard said...

Warning Signs of Overdose

* Feeling hot or unwell
* Becoming confused, not able to talk properly
* Headache
* Vomiting
* Not Sweating
* Racing heart or pulse when resting
* Fainting or collapsing
* Loss of control over body movements
* Tremors
* Problems Urinating




An Ecstasy Overdose is Characterized By:

* rapid heartbeat
* high blood pressure
* faintness
* muscle cramping
* panic attacks
* loss of consciousness
* seizures
* hypothermia
* muscle breakdown
* stroke
* kidney and cardiovascular system failure
* permanent damage to sections of brain critical to thought and memory
* death

Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:10:00 AM from Anonymous


I feel 60-70% of the first list everytime I roll, thats just the effectsfrom the drugs.

LAFD Media and Public Relations said...

Richard,

Thanks for sharing your personal thoughts on an important issue worthy of discussion.

Whether over-the-counter or illicit substances...

We opine that one of the best places for a discussion to start is with your personal physician.

After speaking candidly with a doctor, we encourage a similarly frank discussion with a licensed pharmacist, who can help one understand the importance nuances of quality control not seen in someone's bathtub 'lab' (or worse, folks sometimes 'sharing use' of fixtures other than the bathtub to create substances!).

Our suggestion?

Stay clean and sober, enjoy the music, and remain in a state where you can always make smart choices, real friendships and genuine memories. :)

While we can't reverse or necessarily treat the many effects routinely seen with Ecstasy, we do encourage those experiencing or witnessing a medical emergency to call us at 9-1-1 as quickly as possible.

What we can do often depends on the timeliness of our efforts. So please never delay in getting yourself or others timely emergency medical care.

Thanks Richard, for visiting the LAFD Blog. We look forward to seeing you at next year's Electric Daisy Carnival.

Respectfully Yours in Safety and Service,

Brian Humphrey
Firefighter/Specialist
Public Service Officer
Los Angeles Fire Department

Anonymous said...

This is why it makes me sad to see candy becoming so popular. in the 60s and 70s you did not see people rolling on the floor over dosing on LSD. Control your mind, keep a good mindstate and if you are going to take a substance, drop paper.

Anonymous said...

im with brian here, the music festival is for those who love to meet new people and experience huge artist's with an amazing production hosted by Insomniac.

Drugs is not what the festival is about, why should you know who died and who didnt die.

what would happened if was you were to overdose?

Anonymous said...

candy isnt the drug....its the bracelets people wear and trade at a rave. so yes.....you can have all the candy you want.

LAFD Media and Public Relations said...

Dear Friends,

As planning continues for the 2009 gathering in Los Angeles, we hope those contemplating attendance will read our concerns and those of others, all in the interest of experiencing a fun, safe and memorable event.

Respectfully Yours in Safety and Service,

Brian Humphrey
Firefighter/Specialist
Public Service Officer
Los Angeles Fire Department

Gizmo said...

This blog should be published on plurlife.com With EDC 09 less than 3 weeks away, those attending would probably benefit from reading this. Thanks goes out to the LAFD for their work at keeping those that don't know their limits alive. See you at EDC.

Anonymous said...

This will be my first year attending, and I am pumped beyond belief, its on my birthday too which makes it even better, with over 100,000 people expected I can't imagine how hard it must be for the fire dept to keep track of things with such a "small" force on scene. This year was my first time at Ultra Music Festival too which was beyond epic, and EDC is going to be 2-3 times larger!

I would like to add however that many of the superstitions and claims about ecstasy here aren't about the original/true drug (MDMA) but the drug thats now common since the gov't made it illegal. Link here for 2001 drug statistics:
http://thedea.org/statistics.html

Note theres nearly twice as many ER visits from aspirin than pure ecstasy. Thanks to the gov't that formerly safe pill now often includes vast amounts of cocaine, heroin, and speed. Often now "ecstasy" pills have very little if any MDMA in them. I won't link anything to promote illegal drug use (even if its the last drug that should be illegal), but with a few clever google searches you can find very inexpensive chemical testing materials to find out exactly what you're about to eat before you eat it, or buy it.

A very educational documentary I like to recommend regarding ecstasy is "Ecstasy Rising" by Peter Jennings. After watching it you'll find yourself wondering why its illegal at all. Answer is simple, a pill of pure MDMA costs about 5-10 dollars to make, lasts for 4+ hours and makes you feel better than anything ever could...When was the last time you went to a bar and got drunk off less than 20 bucks? Legal ecstasy = bye bye alcohol industry. Naturally the alcohol and tobacco industry provide more than 90% of private funding towards anti-drug campaigns. Also the rumors of MDMA causing brain damage... Out of dozens of worldwide research studies done on the effects of MDMA, only one has "confirmed" brain damage, the one paid for by the DEA.

Be safe, know what you're taking. Pure MDMA can be found, its very difficult however. Always keep in mind if you're taking E, the majority of that pill probably isn't ecstasy.

LAFD Media and Public Relations said...

With the one year anniversary of this 2008 event (please note the date!) we are closing the comment thread on this blog post, which will remain in our on-line archive.

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